Obama verbally attacked in message posted online
CNN
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/obama.alqaeda/index.html#cnnSTCText
Does anyone else find this extremely irritating and annoying?
http://www.cnn.com/2008/US/11/19/obama.alqaeda/index.html#cnnSTCText
Does anyone else find this extremely irritating and annoying?
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Permalink Reply by Zeenat on -
Ever feel like like shouting: "Hey, You! Take your uber wahabist tendencies and your dirty brand of Islam and stay away from us!" ?
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Permalink Reply by Zeenat on
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The Obama team is taking the high road and is without comment on the matter.
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Permalink Reply by Zeenat on
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Holla Back, Kyra Phillips. Thanks and you're right - MusAms don't play like that. :)
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Permalink Reply by siddiq rasuli on -
Asalaam,
I cant believe that. I have a huge problem with this. The SOB called Afghans Dogs.!!!
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Permalink Reply by Richard D. Allen Jr. on -
Zeenat:
I am so proud of your first comment! .I wish we could stop that philosophy or distortion of Islam at the ocean shores.And it unfortunately stigmatizes those wholesome and educated Muslims like yourselves; at least in the minds of Americans who are not well-informed.I am curious as to how that brand of Islam got such a hold in Saudi Arabia.
Richard
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Permalink Reply by siddiq rasuli on
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Asalaam Mr. Allen,
That brand of Islam was founded by the British. They have helped them from being goat herders to success business man
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Permalink Reply by Zeenat on
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What's sad, Richard, is that this sort of thinking also stigmatizes Muslims in the eyes of other Muslims who are fairly well-informed. Where I come from, a creepy sort of conservatism has found its way into the community and has only served to divide people, scare away the youth and discourage Muslim women from participating actively in mosque activities. It really is a sad turn of events. Hope it's not too late to turn the tide.
Richard D. Allen Jr. said:Zeenat:
I am so proud of your first comment! .I wish we could stop that philosophy or distortion of Islam at the ocean shores.And it unfortunately stigmatizes those wholesome and educated Muslims like yourselves; at least in the minds of Americans who are not well-informed.I am curious as to how that brand of Islam got such a hold in Saudi Arabia.
Richard
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Permalink Reply by Richard D. Allen Jr. on
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First, Zeenat:
I read a speech by the Aga Khan a few years ago that stressed how pluralistic, not monolithic, the Islamic religion was.I personally don't see why in America, especially starting with this younger, computer-literate generation, America can not develop its own brand of a "moderate", modern, Islamic form of worship and practices and withstand the foreign influences; as well as the ones brought over by the first group of immigrants.The late Imam W. D. Mohammed said that( as far as African-American Muslims go) that a new breed of man was formed here in a new country, on a new continent.. That may be more difficult for Muslims from South Central Asia or the Arabs, but can not this be done in time ?
For Siddeq Rasuli:
I do not quite understand what you mean and wish you could elaborate a bit on your statement.How did the British start the Wahabbi form of Islam or introduce it to the citizens of Saudi Arabia? It seems to me that if they were going to convert the Arabs to anything, it would have been a form of Christianity.I am ignorant on this.Help.
RDA
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Permalink Reply by Richard D. Allen Jr. on
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BTW; on the original topic, Bin Laden and his group are going to be hard pressed these next 4 years to come up with accurate, descriptive phrases to describe President Obama. This "House Negro" description just doesn't fit a man who is now in charge of the greatest nation in the world.As someone said, " you can't complain about "The Man" when you are "The man". It's a little dated..
Obama IS the man.He doesn't have to answer to anyone except the people who elected him.And it wasn't the big corporations and the socialites who got him elected. The usual whipping boys were in the other camp, mostly. Yes, I know about the Jewish influence in the media; but that has been around for a long time.And several Republican Presidents have ben elected without their support, so they do not have a veto on this Presidential electoral process.
Yep, Obama, or his underlings, are going to have to come up with a whole new box of offensive phrases to use against Obama.He's one of the worst things that could have happened to the "extremists"; both Christian and Muslim.
RDA
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Permalink Reply by Zeenat on
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Absolutely. We should develop our own flavor of Islam here. There are some basics that simply are - Tawhid (concept of Oneness of God), Prayer (5 times - Muslims are unique in this form or worship), Fasting (in Ramadan), Zakat (...charity), Pilgrimage (if one can afford it), i.e. the five pillars and the five beliefs. These basics are shared by Muslims around the world. Any attempts to then compel Muslims to dress the same, speak the same, act the same, think the same, be the same are simply unappreciative of the diversity of God’s creation.
Wahabi rules aren’t for everyone. Just take a look at the Saudi elites. I’d venture to guess that the non-elites in Saudi Arabia don’t really appreciate those rules either. They are most certainly not the right rules for Muslim Americans. There seems to be a widely held belief that because the Saudis are the keepers of the Kabah – that they somehow own the faith. In conversations with Muslims here and there, there’s this sense that the Saudis are the “originals”, that they must be doing it right and the rest of us are somehow less authentic. That just makes me laugh.
I think an American Islam was organically taking shape – before 9/11. Afterward, because of what happened to our communities in the United States as a result, some congregations went from liberal to conservative to isolationist. Progressive in thought – that’s what we should aim for if we want to get to moderate. Let’s get to it – no time to lose. Hopefully we can actively avoid getting hung up on the whole “too liberal” or “too conservative” in behavior thing. Both veer off the Path in my Book.
Definitely conversations to have.
Richard D. Allen Jr. said:First, Zeenat:
I read a speech by the Aga Khan a few years ago that stressed how pluralistic, not monolithic, the Islamic religion was.I personally don't see why in America, especially starting with this younger, computer-literate generation, America can not develop its own brand of a "moderate", modern, Islamic form of worship and practices and withstand the foreign influences; as well as the ones brought over by the first group of immigrants.The late Imam W. D. Mohammed said that( as far as African-American Muslims go) that a new breed of man was formed here in a new country, on a new continent.. That may be more difficult for Muslims from South Central Asia or the Arabs, but can not this be done in time ?
For Siddeq Rasuli:
I do not quite understand what you mean and wish you could elaborate a bit on your statement.How did the British start the Wahabbi form of Islam or introduce it to the citizens of Saudi Arabia? It seems to me that if they were going to convert the Arabs to anything, it would have been a form of Christianity.I am ignorant on this.Help.
RDA
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Permalink Reply by RobinHossain on -
Salaamualaikum,
Firstly, there really is no such thing as Wahhabi Islam. No one in Saudi calls themselves 'Wahhabi'. Saudi Arabia follows the Hanbali school of thought. Muhammed Abdul Wahhab helped institute the Kingdom of Saud. Bin Laden and his ilk are opposed to the main school of thought in Saudi. Bin Laden has reportedly incorporated many sufi tenets in his practice. The scholars of Saudi have always warned against extremism and any form of terrorism. It is a position from the Hanafi school thought (via Qadi Abu Yusuf) that countries not implementing Shariah are automatically "Dar Ul Harb". Muslims are in an ignorant state of denial when they point fingers at a non-existant "Wahhabi" "Sect" to blame for terrorism. Most terrorists never went to a madrassa, and are instead quite ignorant of the basics of Islam. Most terrorists are "politicized" Muslims as also confirmed by US government studies.
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Permalink Reply by Zeenat on
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WA,
Bin Laden is a sufi? sufi-like? Never would've guessed that. Please do elaborate.
As for the K of SA, they have got to come into the 21st century. Sometimes it seems like they're stuck in the Stone Age. It's one thing for every subject in the kingdom to own a cellphone...but if they can't text - what's the point? From the outside at least, it appears that all the king's horses and all the king's men have not even tried putting Humpty together again.
Having said that, would still like to send a shout out to the Saudi peeps - got nothin' but love for them. Just don't like kings and cronies. We all know what happens if you lose Humpty - you're stuck with Dumpty. That's no good for anyone.
RobinHossain said:Salaamualaikum,
Firstly, there really is no such thing as Wahhabi Islam. No one in Saudi calls themselves 'Wahhabi'. Saudi Arabia follows the Hanbali school of thought. Muhammed Abdul Wahhab helped institute the Kingdom of Saud. Bin Laden and his ilk are opposed to the main school of thought in Saudi. Bin Laden has reportedly incorporated many sufi tenets in his practice. The scholars of Saudi have always warned against extremism and any form of terrorism. It is a position from the Hanafi school thought (via Qadi Abu Yusuf) that countries not implementing Shariah are automatically "Dar Ul Harb". Muslims are in an ignorant state of denial when they point fingers at a non-existant "Wahhabi" "Sect" to blame for terrorism. Most terrorists never went to a madrassa, and are instead quite ignorant of the basics of Islam. Most terrorists are "politicized" Muslims as also confirmed by US government studies.
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